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Brothers! GRR

January 26th, 2009 at 09:58 pm

Relatives -- if my blood, you sure can't pick them! Smile I have 4 brothers, all of whom I love dearly (and fought with growing up!). I am watching in dismay one my brothers - TJ -- facing the possibility of losing his home to foreclosure. The whole disfunctional family dynamic thing always comes into play here. Another brother, MJ, is a real estate agent and born hustler and lives to impress those that want to be impressed. TJ works part-time for him at this time and has worked full-time for him when he owned a business. Anyway, TJ was living in a condo with a low payment and was perfectly happy. MJ talks him into selling the condo a few years back and buying a house in a much better neighborhood for a much higher price. MJ is thinking that the prices will climb in a few years and that TJ could sell at the high end at that time and then buy another condo. TJ (the brilliant non-thinker that he is) goes along with the plan. MJ gets him one of those no-doc, adjustable rate, junk loans that are so well known. Fast forward to today....... The payment is a negative amortization loan!!! The payment has doubled and TJ is struggling to make the payment. I have asked TJ how he would agree to such a "deal." TJ goes along with MJ's plans (always) and trusted him blindly. That is the part that I do not understand. TJ is current on his payments but is running out of $$. He tried to get a loan modification but was told that that option would not be available for 4-5 months because the bank, Downey Savings, went under. The merger with Whomever Bank would need to be completed first. So, TJ is looking for a roommate and looking for more work. That is becoming more difficult these days even though he has a 4 year college degree. I told him that the Census Bureau is hiring temporary workers. Good luck to him and the thousands next to him in line. I get so frustrated at both TJ and MJ. TJ - because his outlook on the world is avoidance and denial - "If I don't think about it, it will go away." He is one of the most unambitious people I have ever met and he is 40 years old!!! And MJ - how could he dare to do this to our own brother?! A junk loan -- he gambled TJ's future (I know TJ allowed this to happen - no backbone at all) and avoids the subject when I bring it up. I, the frugal troublemaker of the family, bring it up anyway. They are looking into other loan options but it does not look good. MJ cannot bail him out because his own income has decreased in the past year. He has slashed his spending but the house payment alone is very high. I have nagged him to quit smoking because that does cost money. He also does some video production work but that is not steady. I just hope TJ gets his mindset into crisis mode and kicks it into gear.

8 Responses to “Brothers! GRR”

  1. gamecock43 Says:

    oh god that's awful. I can completely see how it could have happened and completely see how each brother blames the other and does not take any responsibility for their part in it. And you cant escape it! Until this gets resolved, you will have to live with the consequences too. Good luck, and the roommate thing sounds like a really good idea.

  2. creditcardfree Says:

    I have in laws in similar dysfunction situations. Best wishes for all. ((hugs))

  3. mom-sense Says:


    Family ... yes, sometimes it is best not to forge business relationships amongst one another ... my lawyer-brother handled an estate situart for my inlaws/DH's great aunt. It ended up so awfully that my brother actually tried to get out of it - did whatever legal thigs he needed to and submitted it to the judge in probate. The judge WOULDN'T LET HIM OUT. DBrother is trapped in this insaneness ... UGH!

  4. Little L Says:

    I feel for all the people in this situation but at the same time I also feel like no one forced their hand to sign the loan docs. And I am disgusted with the mortgage companies that did this... they are one of the primary reasons we are n the situation we are in now. I hope that people learn from this whole mess and know that some things ARE too good to be true.

  5. Joan.of.the.Arch Says:

    Maybe MJ will valiantly move in with TJ now and split the house payment....Actually, do you know about MJ's own housing situation? I suspect real estate agents are prevalent among those who thought they could play the game of ever increasing equity but are now stuck.

  6. mooshocker Says:

    I have an aunt and and uncle that seem to be very carefree with they spending. The best sneakers, tanning, gym membership, hot tub, motorcycle, new cars every 2 years (leased), etc., etc., etc.

    I have assisted them in clearing debt in the past, however, since I found out my aunt was taking on additional work cleaning houses, I can only assume they are back in the red.

    I feel bad for them and for others who struggle financially. That said, some is due to things outside of our control, however, often times, we can take steps to protect ourselves.

    I will pray for your brother(s) and you. God bless.

  7. PRICEPLUS Says:

    "Out of Debt, Out of Danger!"

    I was fortunate not to listen to others who told me to trade up house wise. I would be stuck with an overvalued, highly taxed disaster. As things stand now I have no mortgage. I just need to make taxes and utilities!

    I feel for your brother. One of my brothers talked me into an investment and against my better judgment I went along. I learned a valuable lesson when I lost all of the money in that investment.

    If I don't understand it then I don't invest. If it seems too good to be true it is!

    I hope you brother is able to get out of this mess!

  8. SavingBucks Says:

    Well... MJ the real estate agent owns a home less than 1/2 mile from TJ. He bought it about 5 years ago at a high price (at that time). I looked at the house while he was considering it and told him he was nuts if he paid that much! The property taxes alone here in CA are killer. Plus......the woman of the house was killed in the house by her DH! Bad karma at the least. But anyway, MJ is married with 3 kids and MIL at the house. One son in college. And a wife that thinks $$ is made for spending. She would see the deals I got from couponing. I asked if she was interested, but was told no. Is he in over his head at this time? Probably, but not in the same straits as TJ. Real estate is still selling here, but prices are down. Can TJ move in with him? There is room, but will it happen? I do not know. I would hope so. Stay tuned! Smile

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